Rule 4.18 needs an update - Impossible to punish griefers!

[Ezeda 57]

Here we go. I am exhausted with a few dorks constantly griefing entire servers by punishing new players - those with no means to defend themselves. What I mean by that is: PK-ing them on spots over and over throughout the day and night.
I'll refute the most common, and most stupid, argument brought to those discussions: "just buy VIP, just go to Aida etc"., well guess what, new players don't have the power to hunt in Aida, nor will they be glad to hear they HAVE to spend real money JUST to be able to play. On a private server, for an ancient game.
Case in point: Domestos, the worst case of such low-functioning rat in the entire Jade.
I keep in touch with many casual guilds and fresh players, and they all say the same: I'm leaving this server. Why? Because of griefers like the one mentioned above.

And we have no way to prevent this or punish those "people". The closest to this is rule 4.18 which states:
4.18. Malicious sabotage of the interests of the server and its players.

Now tell me this: how is this not against the interests of server and players when a single moron, let alone a pack of them, sit glued to their couch day and night just to kill newbs left and right? Which, in turn, leads to the newbs quitting, possible donors leaving, and the server dying out.
Yet, for some reason, rule 4.18 does not involve griefing and borderline senseless abuse of new, defenseless players. We tried this before: you guys in the Senate were all in agreement that this behaviour wouldn't be punished. This is likely the only server of any game ever where I've seen this disgusting kind of behaviour fly without any sort of reaction from the Staff.
We could go gathering video material about "people" like Domestos, we could go opening a thousand threads, and nothing would be done. Me? I don't mind, those weirdos die to my autoplay Multishot. New players do mind. They have no way to defend themselves.

Update the rule 4.18 to include griefing as described above. Let us do some spring cleaning on our servers, thank you.

Edited September 4 by Ezeda

[unair 19]

Absolutely, you can see x2 examples here:

• https://forum.bless.gs/index.php?/topic/82677-mega-tankograd-smekeru-425-or-equiv/
• https://forum.bless.gs/index.php?/topic/80877-mega-spacevlad-425-or-other-quivalent/

Senate is just like typically Russian behavior: Oh, they have money? Let them do whatever the fk they want. Just give us the money to buy Mercedes and fk off. 

This is why nothing is done about this and they ask you to buy VIP because they benefit off it. It can even be a 2nd or 3rd character of an admin or senate that's harassing players on purposes to push them to buy VIP or any other sort of privileges in the back.

If this is a solution, put a monthly subscription that WoW has and then it is clear that this Bless Mu it is a P2W server and players that don't have money or are not willing to pay for stupid shit go somewhere else. Why are you hiding this?

Nobody is saying to turn your server into a Singapore, but the corruption that is happening in this case it is disgusting! To let apes abuse average player because you get money off them. You don't even have a basic decent rule about this, not even 1! It is just like what you are doing in Ukraine: Oh, we are bigger and stronger?! Let us fk others!

Extraordinary mentality! For real.

You should release an immunity package. Pay x dollars every month and do whatever you want, not a single rule applies to you as long as you paid for immunity that month. Same like you can hide your character, but now it is hidden from the rules.

The funniest thing is how this behavior is hidden under PVP when clearly it has nothing to do with PVP and it is not even PVP. 

Back when Origin was still on, before the merge, there used to be an ape, I am not kidding, EVERY SINGLE MORNING he would raid all Kanturu and kill everybody on spots. Every single morning at 5, 6, 7 AM that was his life, to log in into a shit elf or whatever he had and go PK other ppl in Kanturu. That was the only thing he understood from the game and after a while... Well maybe it was an admin slowing you down from leveling you know? What is the reason to kill other players for no reason? Plus that you have to clear PK after that and this will cost you. You either have to wait or pay Zen and how are you even going to go back from Kanturu to Arkania if you just killed 3 maps of ppl that were farming? But you see, it had a purpose, it was not random, same like here.

Edited September 5 by unair

[Ezeda 57]

Let us refrain from such accusations, though; just for general knowledge, Bless Administration and Senate aren't Russians, don't be fooled by the similarity of language. Real-life politics should be kept out of this matter if we want to have a mature, fruitful discussion.

If it were admins doing this, they wouldn't be doing it with naked toons and they surely wouldn't be harassing top players who already own VIP. Just like in League of Legends, it is mentally-challenged, frustrated players who are reponsible for this behaviour.

We want a rule designed specifically to combat this behaviour. Nobody's going to buy VIP in these circumstances, they're just going to quit. Let others know about this thread, please, we need to be heard!

[unair 19]

5 hours ago, Ezeda said:

Let us refrain from such accusations, though

Ok, I have no problem with this, but as you can see, this being a massive problem not only on 1 server and nobody is doing anything about it when it is obvious that this is a problem and there are tons of abuses, how would you like it to be interpreted? If nobody is benefiting off this due to the fact that absolutely no action is taken when you see how problematic this is for the average player, what kind of logic shall it be applied over here?

And why lie? Why hide this thing under PVP when it is not! Why hide this fact? "We are not doing anything because it is PVP". No it is not! This is not PVP, and it is obvious. This argument it is used only as an excuse. Nothing else.

Even the fact that nobody is replying here to this topic you can see it is obvious that someone profits off this and this is why nothing is done about harassment, PK abuses etc.

[Ivan Nebraska 1411]

I really can't see a way on how to ban those griffers without the report on forum. If you say the main issue is that they kill noobs and noobs will not make any posts on forum

[Ezeda 57]

11 hours ago, Ivan Nebraska said:

I really can't see a way on how to ban those griffers without the report on forum. If you say the main issue is that they kill noobs and noobs will not make any posts on forum

Problem is, there's been reports made in the past, even linked here in this thread. Nothing was done about them. Those "noobs" I'm concerned about aren't going to band together and write a formal report - they're noobs, they've just registered here, opened the game and got treated like crap. None of us, I'm sure, would bother reporting such a thing if it happened to us only days after starting to play. Noobs just quit, sometimes leaving behind /post flame which is still in the server logs (just search for keyword "Domestos", you will see hundreds).

 

The more experienced players and guild leaders will always be the ones to submit reports on griefing. And there isn't anything we can do right now, Ivan. Rule 4.18 does not address this issue, so every report can and probably will be disregarded.

For such reports to hold any power, we'd need to submit dozens upon dozens of videos and screenshots, as well as many people taking voice in the matter. And for what? Nobody's gonna go through the hurdle if they can be nearly certain that nothing will come of it.

Edited September 7 by Ezeda

[unair 19]

So weird. It proves my point. They have money, they dump money into the server and they can do whatever they want.

This fact issue from this post it is not even acknowledged and prob it will never be.

You have 2 links above with 2 different ppl and 2 different situations. Nothing has been done, other ppl that go through this will not even bother reporting.

If you search Space Vlad in the forum the same behavior happened before, my report is not the 1st. Let's not even talk about SmeKerU. You can't even sit on the spot and farm because it belongs to him. And has a friend with muscles.

Not even a warning for these ppl! Not even that. The jungle law.

Edited September 7 by unair

[Ivan Nebraska 1411]

We do ban people on 4.18 rule. And we had situations when we banned people permanenly for such "greefing". But we also would like to have a competative server, where killing other guild or making achivement will not get you banned. Thus, for now, each case was addressed individually.

I understand your frustration, but how would you formulate the rule so that griefers will get banned and leave ordinary players who, for example, are just making the achievement? Which proofs to submit? How do you distinguish them?

[unair 19]

Considering that this is Ezeda's topic his opinion should go 1st, but as a suggestion I will build the rule under harassment of players, a perfect example is the above link with Tankograd and Smekeru. When someone is reaching this level of abuse this is not your server anymore as an admin, it is theirs.

There is nothing wrong with PVP. I'm not bothered I get killed in PVP when I try to kill a Soldier or a Pouch or when I leave the safe zone on BA. That's PVP and it is normal, the price they pay it is self defense and red status. But harassment, player farm, keeping him hostage like Smekeru did at the request of Tankograd because they can and they are stronger and they can do whatever they want in this case, that is not PVP,  that is abuse. And this happened the same with SpaceVlad.

In my opinion the rule should be simple and broad: Harassment of players with intent and purpose from stopping them to access the game content it is punishable by... And then you get to decide.

There is somewhere here a post in this forum (please use search function) a guy was streaming and someone keep killing him and  he had to call help and 2 ppl had to protect him until the ape got banned. So if for the streamers these players are seen as a danger, the should be seen dangerous for ordinary ppl as well, because they have the same behavior.

Edited September 10 by unair